them. but on the cpi, since you bring it up, the chained cpi, the president -- the details of this are not all ironed out. but they all mitigate for helping the poorest and neediest in our society, whether they're ssi recipients, whether they're 80 and older, or whether they're truly needy in between. >> senator, she says other factors mitigate the impact of the cpi change, and she would have the votes. any circumstances under which that you could support it? >> no. i have a lot of respect for nancy pelosi. i think she is dead wrong on this issue. listen, the aarp, the national committee to preserve medicare, the afl-cio, the veterans organizations, the vast majority of the american people are saying you do not balance the budget on the elderly, people who are making 15, $16,000 a year, who are struggling to keep themselves alive should not be taking cuts when we have growing wealth and income inequality in america. yes, the wealthiest people and the large corporations who are doing phenomenally well are going to have to start paying their fair share of taxes.